{"id":3159,"date":"2010-07-11T10:01:00","date_gmt":"2010-07-11T08:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maimoni.cafeblog.hu\/2010\/07\/11\/tevedesben-eltem-vagy-nem\/"},"modified":"2010-07-11T10:01:00","modified_gmt":"2010-07-11T08:01:00","slug":"tevedesben-eltem-vagy-nem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sutismoni.hu\/?p=3159","title":{"rendered":"T\u00e9ved\u00e9sben \u00e9ltem &#8211; vagy nem?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div><a href=\"https:\/\/maimoni.cafeblog.hu\/files\/2010\/07\/260px-Morus-alba.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/maimoni.cafeblog.hu\/files\/2010\/07\/260px-Morus-alba.jpg\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Musz\u00e1j most \u00edrnom err\u0151l a k\u00e9rd\u00e9sr\u0151l, hiszen nemr\u00e9g tettem k\u00f6zz\u00e9 a\u00a0<span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/goog_385832483\">szedres-meggyes quiche<\/a><\/span>\u00a0receptj\u00e9t, \u00e9s amint kider\u00fclt, legjobb sz\u00e1nd\u00e9kom ellen\u00e9re sz\u00e9les n\u00e9pt\u00f6megeket vezettem f\u00e9lre. T\u00e9ved\u00e9semre egy kedves kommentel\u0151 h\u00edvta fel a figyelmemet:<br \/><span><i>&#8222;Az a szeder eper. Amit \u00e1ltal\u00e1ban epernek h\u00edvunk az szam\u00f3ca, az igazi eper a f\u00e1n terem. Ebb\u0151l k\u00e9sz\u00fcl pl. az eper p\u00e1linka is. A szeder nem f\u00e1n terem.&#8221;<\/i><\/span><br \/>A k\u00e9pen l\u00e1that\u00f3 gy\u00fcm\u00f6lcsr\u0151l van sz\u00f3, amely p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul a kert\u00fcnk v\u00e9g\u00e9ben \u00e1ll\u00f3 f\u00e1n terem, de amely v\u00e9gigk\u00eds\u00e9rte eg\u00e9sz eddigi \u00e9letemet: gyerekkoromban, a mam\u00e1n\u00e1l a h\u00e1zt\u00f3l a patakpart fel\u00e9 haladva esett \u00fatba egy hatalmas szederfa &#8211; vagy h\u00e1t nekem azt mondt\u00e1k, hogy az. Rengeteget bicikliztem arra, \u00e9s szinte mindig meg\u00e1lltam alatta, hogy szedjek a m\u00e9z\u00e9des gy\u00fcm\u00f6lcsb\u0151l, kik\u00f6pk\u00f6dve a z\u00f6ld sz\u00e1rat, amit ha k\u00e9zzel cs\u00edptem le, a gy\u00fcm\u00f6lcs ragacsos leve \u00f6sszekente az ujjaimat, \u00e9s akkor azt\u00e1n r\u00f6videsen ragadt a biciklikorm\u00e1ny, a nadr\u00e1gzsebem \u00e9s a p\u00f3l\u00f3m is. Azt\u00e1n, amikor tizenk\u00e9t \u00e9ves koromban a v\u00e1rosb\u00f3l falura k\u00f6lt\u00f6zt\u00fcnk, a h\u00e1zzal egy\u00fctt mi\u00e9nk lett egy nagy szederfa is, b\u00e1r ennek a gy\u00fcm\u00f6lcse fekete volt, az a sunyi fajta, ami ha ruh\u00e1val \u00e9rintkezik, foltot hagy maga ut\u00e1n \u00f6r\u00f6k mement\u00f3ul, hogy l\u00e1ss\u00e1tok, testv\u00e9rek, ennyi az \u00e9let.<br \/>Teh\u00e1t, \u00e9pp nekil\u00e1ttam a kutat\u00f3munk\u00e1nak, amikor\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/gasztrobarom.freeblog.hu\/archives\/2010\/06\/29\/Eperfa_vs_szederfa\/\">ezen a blogon<\/a>\u00a0r\u00e1tal\u00e1ltam egy remek \u00e9s alapos \u00f6sszefogalal\u00f3ra, azt\u00e1n meg m\u00e9g sok egy\u00e9b sz\u00f3rakoztat\u00f3 \u00edr\u00e1sra is. Szerz\u0151j\u00e9t\u0151l enged\u00e9lyt k\u00e9rtem, hogy munk\u00e1j\u00e1nak eredm\u00e9ny\u00e9t id\u00e9zhessem, \u00fagyhogy tess\u00e9k:<br \/>&#8222;A helyzet az, hogy az eperfa \u00e9s a szederfa ugyanazt jelenti a magyar nyelvben, vagyis &#8222;azt a n\u00f6v\u00e9nyt&#8221;, adja meg a v\u00e1laszt A magyar nyelvj\u00e1r\u00e1sok atlasza, &#8222;amelynek level\u00e9vel a selyemherny\u00f3t szok\u00e1s etetni&#8221;. A Dun\u00e1nt\u00falon &#8222;szederfa, sz\u00ebd\u00ebrfa&#8221;, sz\u0171kebb p\u00e1tri\u00e1mban, a Mecsek k\u00f6rny\u00e9k\u00e9n el\u0151fordul &#8222;sz\u00f6d\u00f6rfa, sz\u00f6d\u00f6rnyefa&#8221; v\u00e1ltozat is, a Dr\u00e1va ment\u00e9n pedig m\u00e1r az &#8222;ep\u00f6rnyefa&#8221; alak is, hogy azt\u00e1n a S\u00e1rk\u00f6zben \u00e9s a Duna t\u00faloldal\u00e1n m\u00e1r v\u00e9gig &#8222;eperfa, ep\u00f6rfa&#8221; legyen, \u00e9s a t\u00f6bbi. Hogy \u00e9n eperf\u00e1nak mondom, ez az\u00e9rt van, mert a sz\u00e9pirodalomban tal\u00e1lkoztam el\u0151sz\u00f6r a kifejez\u00e9ssel, \u00e9s nem odahaza.<br \/>A t\u00e1jnyelvben t\u00f6bb sz\u00f3l\u00e1snak is t\u00e1rgya az eperfa, \u00edgy az Alf\u00f6ld\u00f6n \u00e1ll\u00edt\u00f3lag az &#8222;eperfa alatt esk\u00fcdtek&#8221; annyit tesz, hogy vadh\u00e1zass\u00e1gban \u00e9lnek a felek, Nagyszalont\u00e1n pedig azt mondogathatt\u00e1k egykoron szitkoz\u00f3d\u00e1s gyan\u00e1nt, hogy &#8222;N\u0151jik ep\u00ebrfa a homlokomon, ha nem igaz.&#8221;<br \/>Az &#8222;eper&#8221; szavunk ugor kori \u00f6r\u00f6ks\u00e9g lehet, m\u00edg a &#8222;szeder&#8221; eredete ismeretlen. A &#8222;szeder&#8221; sz\u00f3nak a &#8216;f\u00f6ldiszeder&#8217; (Brombeere) lehetett az els\u0151dleges jelent\u00e9se. A szeder \u00e9s az eper valamennyire hasonl\u00edt (f\u00f6ld\u00f6n terem, \u00e9des, tudomis\u00e9n), \u00edgy azt\u00e1n a f\u00e1n l\u00e9v\u0151 szeder (Maulbeere) ami meg a f\u00f6ldiszederre hasonl\u00edt lett szeder, azt\u00e1n meg eper is anal\u00f3gi\u00e1s hat\u00e1s eredm\u00e9nyek\u00e9nt. Vagy valami ilyesmi, a nyelvt\u00f6rt\u00e9net soha nem ment igaz\u00e1n.<br \/>A f\u00f6ldiszedernek a &#8222;szederfa-szederhez&#8221; n\u00f6v\u00e9nyrendszertanilag nincs k\u00f6ze. Az eperfa\/szederfa, kedves bar\u00e1tunk az eperfaf\u00e9l\u00e9k csal\u00e1dj\u00e1hoz (Moroceae) tartozik. Van feh\u00e9r (Morus alba) \u00e9s fekete (Morus nigra). A feh\u00e9r eperfa K\u00edn\u00e1b\u00f3l sz\u00e1rmazik, ennek level\u00e9t eszik a selyemherny\u00f3k. A bogy\u00f3, amit esz\u00fcnk, nem m\u00e1s, mint &#8222;aromatikus, elh\u00fasosodott vir\u00e1gtakar\u00f3&#8221;.<br \/>A selyemherny\u00f3kat \u00e1ll\u00edt\u00f3lag a g\u00f6r\u00f6g\u00f6k v\u00e1ndorbot belsej\u00e9ben csemp\u00e9szt\u00e9k ki Perzsi\u00e1b\u00f3l. Elterjed\u00e9se teh\u00e1t nem a term\u00e9s\u00e9nek, ink\u00e1bb a selyemherny\u00f3-teny\u00e9szt\u00e9snek k\u00f6sz\u00f6nhet\u0151, aminek t\u00f6rt\u00e9net\u00e9r\u0151l egykori Ilka utcai lak\u00f3t\u00e1rsam \u00edrt is, meg k\u00e9ne keresnem \u0151t Facebookon, h\u00e1tha van kedve besz\u00e9lni r\u00f3la. Az eperfa term\u00e9se nekem annyira nem \u00edzlett, igaz\u00e1b\u00f3l p\u00e1link\u00e1nak j\u00f3, \u00fagy h\u00edrlik. Melius P\u00e9ter Herbarium\u00e1ban azt mondja, hogy a term\u00e9s \u00e9retten hashajt\u00e1sra j\u00f3. Kinyomott leve &#8222;akinek torka, sz\u00e1ja megv\u00e9sz, meg\u00e1llatja&#8221;. R\u00e1ad\u00e1sul &#8222;Ha pedig es\u0151v\u00edzben megf\u0151zed a level\u00e9t \u00e9s f\u0151t mos(ol) v\u00e9le, sz\u00e9p hajat csin\u00e1l.&#8221;<br \/>\u00c9rdekess\u00e9g, hogy az eperfaf\u00e9l\u00e9k csal\u00e1dj\u00e1ba tartozik (teh\u00e1t h\u0151s\u00fcnknek rokona) a f\u00fcge, valamint a szoban\u00f6v\u00e9ny fikusz. A keny\u00e9rfa (Artocarpus) term\u00e9se sok kem\u00e9ny\u00edt\u0151t tartalmaz, a tr\u00f3pusokon alapvet\u0151 \u00e9lelmiszer. (&#8230;)\u00a0De az eperfa rokona a panama gumifa is (Castilla elastica), amely tejnedv\u00e9b\u0151l rugalmas anyag k\u00e9sz\u00fcl, de ez nem azonos a kaucsukf\u00e1val (Hevea brasilensis).&#8221;<br \/>A\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/hu.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Eperfa\">Wikip\u00e9dia<\/a>\u00a0r\u00f6vid \u00e9s t\u00e1rgyilagos v\u00e1laszt ad:<br \/><span><span>&#8222;Az\u00a0<\/span><span>eperfa<\/span><span>\u00a0<\/span><span>(Morus)<\/span><span>\u00a0egyfel\u0151l az\u00a0<\/span><span>eperfaf\u00e9l\u00e9k<\/span><span>\u00a0csal\u00e1dj\u00e1nak\u00a0<\/span><span>Moreae<\/span><span>\u00a0nemzets\u00e9gcsoportj\u00e1ba tartoz\u00f3\u00a0<\/span><span>n\u00f6v\u00e9nynemzets\u00e9g<\/span><span>, melybe mintegy 100 faj tartozik, m\u00e1sfel\u0151l k\u00e9t, e nemzets\u00e9gbe tartoz\u00f3,\u00a0<\/span><span>Magyarorsz\u00e1gon<\/span><span>\u00a0is gyakori fafaj h\u00e9tk\u00f6znapi elnevez\u00e9se.\u00a0(&#8230;)\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span><span>Term\u00e9se a\u00a0<\/span><span>faeper<\/span><span>\u00a0vagy\u00a0<\/span><span>eper<\/span><span>. Az eperf\u00e1t egyes vid\u00e9keken\u00a0<\/span><span>szederfa<\/span><span>k\u00e9nt ismerik, gy\u00fcm\u00f6lcs\u00e9t pedig\u00a0<\/span><span>szeder<\/span><span>nek mondj\u00e1k.&#8221;<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Teh\u00e1t, \u00f6sszefoglalva: a fa neve eperfa. De \u00e9n dun\u00e1nt\u00fali vagyok, nekem szederfa, teljesen jogosan. A gy\u00fcm\u00f6lcse pedig szeder &#8211; mert h\u00e1t legal\u00e1bb annyira szeder, amennyire eper. Ha nem jobban.<\/p>\n<p>De hogy ezt most kellett megtudnom,ennyi \u00e9v ut\u00e1n&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Ti hogyan ismeritek?<br \/><span><br \/><\/span><br \/><span><span>A k\u00e9pet a\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/hu.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Eperfa\"><span>Wikip\u00e9di\u00e1b\u00f3l<\/span><\/a><span>\u00a0vettem k\u00f6lcs\u00f6n.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Musz\u00e1j most \u00edrnom err\u0151l a k\u00e9rd\u00e9sr\u0151l, hiszen nemr\u00e9g tettem k\u00f6zz\u00e9 a\u00a0szedres-meggyes quiche\u00a0receptj\u00e9t, \u00e9s amint kider\u00fclt, legjobb sz\u00e1nd\u00e9kom ellen\u00e9re sz\u00e9les n\u00e9pt\u00f6megeket vezettem f\u00e9lre. 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