{"id":4377,"date":"2009-06-11T18:00:00","date_gmt":"2009-06-11T16:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maimoni.cafeblog.hu\/2009\/06\/11\/ne-beszeljunk-egyszerre\/"},"modified":"2009-06-11T18:00:00","modified_gmt":"2009-06-11T16:00:00","slug":"ne-beszeljunk-egyszerre","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sutismoni.hu\/?p=4377","title":{"rendered":"Ne besz\u00e9lj\u00fcnk egyszerre!"},"content":{"rendered":"

B\u00e1lint: – Anyaaaaa, lemehetek egyed\u00fcl a strandra?<\/em>
Bence: – Anya, ehetek a s\u00fctib\u0151l?<\/em>
Anya: – Nem. Igen.<\/em>
Bence: – Nem ehetek? De mi\u00e9rt…?<\/em>
B\u00e1lint: – Lemehetek? K\u00f6sz\u00ed\u00ed\u00ed\u00ed\u00ed!<\/em>
Anya: – Neeeem! Ford\u00edtva! Te nem mehetsz, te ehetsz.<\/em>
N\u00f3ri: – Anya, a B\u00e1lint t\u00e9nyleg lemehet a strandra?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u00c1\u00e1\u00e1\u00e1\u00e1, seg\u00edts\u00e9g!<\/p>\n

Sz\u00e1mtalan ehhez hasonl\u00f3 eset fordul el\u0151 a mindennapjainkban, amikor Illet\u00e9kes Elvt\u00e1rs \u00f6r\u00f6kbecs\u0171 mondata jut eszembe: nagyon k\u00e9rem, ne besz\u00e9lj\u00fcnk egyszerre!
E verb\u00e1lis karambolnak k\u00e9t fajt\u00e1j\u00e1t k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6ztetj\u00fck meg:
a) indirekt, vagy mell\u00e9rendelt;
b) direkt, vagy al\u00e1rendelt.<\/p>\n

Indirekt\/mell\u00e9rendelt egyszerre besz\u00e9l\u00e9snek avagy kommunik\u00e1ci\u00f3s konfiktusnak nevezz\u00fck azt a helyzetet, amikor A \u00e9s B (tov\u00e1bb\u00e1 C, D, stb.) gyermek egym\u00e1st\u00f3l f\u00fcggetlen\u00fcl, mintegy v\u00e9letlen\u00fcl kezdi azonos id\u0151ben mondand\u00f3j\u00e1t, s mivel mindketten Alfa szem\u00e9lyre koncentr\u00e1lnak (lehet Apa \u00e9s\/vagy Anya), egym\u00e1st figyelmen k\u00edv\u00fcl hagyva v\u00e1rj\u00e1k a v\u00e1laszt, \u00e9s megingathatatlanok abban, hogy az elhangz\u00f3 felelet nekik, \u00e9s csakis nekik sz\u00f3lhat. Ezesetben A \u00e9s B (illetve C \u00e9s D) mondand\u00f3ja t\u00f6bbnyire f\u00fcggetlen egym\u00e1st\u00f3l, egyik sem fontosabb a m\u00e1sikn\u00e1l.<\/p>\n

Direkt\/al\u00e1rendelt a szimult\u00e1n kontatktus, amennyiben A,B, (C \u00e9s D) gyermekek k\u00f6z\u00fcl valamelyik kiemelkedik (opinion leader), net\u00e1n \u0151 a megb\u00e1ntott f\u00e9l, \u00e9s \u00e9pp s\u00e9relm\u00e9t ecseteli Alfa szem\u00e9lynek, amit feltehet\u0151leg B \u00e9s\/vagy C \u00e9s D okozott. Ilyenkor B (C \u00e9s D) A szav\u00e1ba v\u00e1gva pr\u00f3b\u00e1lja bebizony\u00edtani, mi\u00e9rt nincs A-nak igaza. El\u0151fordulhat, hogy B, C, vagy D v\u00e9g\u00fcl A mellett \u00e9rvel, \u00e9s kialakul a 2:2-es fel\u00e1ll\u00e1s. A helyzetet s\u00falyoss\u00e1g\u00e1t fokozza az egym\u00e1s t\u00falkiab\u00e1l\u00e1s\u00e1ra ir\u00e1nyul\u00f3 t\u00f6rekv\u00e9s, ami Alfa szem\u00e9ly(ek) sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra meglehet\u0151s idegi terhel\u00e9ssel j\u00e1r.<\/p>\n

\u00c9s, l\u00e1ssuk be, Alfa legyen a talp\u00e1n, aki egy ilyen helyzetet kibogoz.<\/p>\n

Egyszer\u0171bb \u00f6sszehozni egy j\u00f3 kis csereszny\u00e9s s\u00fctem\u00e9nyt, amelyhez a gy\u00fcm\u00f6lcs\u00f6t Omega szem\u00e9ly (szomsz\u00e9d Margit n\u00e9ni) szolg\u00e1ltatta. \u0150 egy\u00e9bir\u00e1nt indifferens a vita szempontj\u00e1b\u00f3l.<\/p>\n

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A s\u00fcti t\u00e9szt\u00e1j\u00e1t m\u00e1r meg\u00e9nekeltem itt<\/a>. Most annyit v\u00e1ltoztattam rajta, hogy narancsl\u00e9 helyett kef\u00edrt tettem bele (t\u00falm\u0171k\u00f6dnek a kef\u00edrgomb\u00e1im…) .<\/p>\n

Hozz\u00e1val\u00f3k:<\/p>\n

4 toj\u00e1s<\/p>\n

25 dkg cukor<\/p>\n

2 dl olaj<\/p>\n

2 dl kef\u00edr<\/p>\n

30 dkg liszt<\/p>\n

1 tasak s\u00fct\u0151por<\/p>\n

2 ek kaka\u00f3por<\/p>\n

f\u00e9l kil\u00f3 magozott, felezett cseresznye<\/p>\n

A s\u00fct\u0151t el\u0151meleg\u00edtem (l\u00e9gkever\u00e9ses funkci\u00f3ban) 180 fokra. A toj\u00e1sokat a cukorral s\u0171r\u0171 kr\u00e9mm\u00e9 keverem, hozz\u00e1adom az olajat \u00e9s a kef\u00edrt, majd a s\u00fct\u0151porral elkevert lisztet. A t\u00e9szt\u00e1t kett\u00e9veszem, egyik fel\u00e9be belekeverem a kaka\u00f3port, lisztezett tepsibe \u00f6nt\u00f6m, \u00e9s 10 percig el\u0151s\u00fct\u00f6m.<\/p>\n

A marad\u00e9k t\u00e9szt\u00e1ba keverem a csereszny\u00e9t, az eg\u00e9szet az el\u0151s\u00fct\u00f6tt kaka\u00f3s alapra sim\u00edtom, \u00e9s 25 perc alatt k\u00e9szre s\u00fct\u00f6m.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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